Dutch military in 1995 were not able to defend the Bosnian Muslim enclave, because they had openly gay soldiers amongst their ranks.
This was stated by the American ex-general John Sheehan, during a Senate hearing . . .
Retired US General: Gay Dutch Troops Contributed to Srebrenica Massacre | USA | English (http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Retired-US-General-Gay-Dutch-Troops-Contributed-to-Srebrenica-Massacre--88450667.html)
He had apparently heard the same from Dutch commanders . . .
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Didn't seem to slow old Alex down...[image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/wink.gif]
Bunch of nonsense really
We have to realize that America may well be a little pissed off with the Dutch right now for their withdrawal from Afghanistan.
I wonder what this guy is going to have to say about Canadian troops once we pull out next year.
The massacre was the result of lack of contingency planning as well as proper support. The Dutch couldn't have done anything.
Much like the small UN force in Uganda at the beginning of the killings.
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pull out
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The Dutch were stuck out there with low numbers, no support and orders not to intervene, it was the process at fault. I think that what the general said was perfectly consistent with the levels of stupidity and nonsense that the warmongering nation has been showing us for the past 10 years re: why "Allies" wont sacrifice huge numbers of young men for commercial wars based on lies.
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stuck
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why "Allies" wont sacrifice huge numbers of young men for commercial wars based on lies.
You need a towel tp absorb some of that lather. It seems to me that the entire Yugoslavian issue was one that Europe chose to ignore - maybe because they didn't see any financial advantage in it and maybe because they are just very committed cowards,
You're the biggest coward of all JL, somebody incapable of honest objective self reflection. How wimpish!
...actually, some kill-and-fuck knuckledraggers are gay...
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The Dutch were stuck out there with low numbers, no support and orders not to intervene, it was the process at fault.
very much agree.
the whole u.n. mission in bosnia was a joke. soldiers on the ground with orders to look the other way if anything nasty happened. a political face-saving excersize that meant absolutely zip on thee ground.
sheehan's point is mildly amusing tho...
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zip
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...ok, I'll stop now.
please do rob.
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It's just such a ridiculous non-story. How the bejayzus is this stuff taken seriously??
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stuff
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Serious note, the whole thing was a fiasco. My friend lost 4 of his guys in what the MoD called an RTA. Their Warrior went over a cliff when the road/goat track they were ordered to patrol collapsed under the weight!
Trouble was, everyone just ignored the genocide until it was too late and then went in half arsed! I don't think it was one of the UN's (that's all of us, BTW) prouder moments. [image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/mad.gif] Think I'll go lie down now.
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How the bejayzus is this stuff taken seriously??
Not a good idea to not take stupid people in power seriously
Because Fox news wants it to be a news story and the republicans want it to be a news worthy story. The logic behind it is just baffling though. BTW the Dutch government fell over the genocide issue because of its lack of support and the way they wanted to brush it under the rug. Fox news won't report on that though.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun.
This one is for fighting, this one is for fun"
^...that's a gay little trailer park ditty...
...and here's the rebuttal:
Dutch Respond Angrily to Gay Link In Srebrenica Massacre
By REUTERS
Published: March 19, 2010
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch government officials reacted angrily on Friday to claims by a retired U.S. general that Dutch forces were overrun in Srebrenica in 1995 in part because of the presence of gay soldiers.
At a U.S. congressional hearing on Thursday on allowing gay soldiers to serve openly in the military, former Supreme Allied Commander John Sheehan said there was a link between having homosexuals in the Dutch forces and the massacre at Srebrenica.
Bosnian Serb forces overran lightly armed Dutch soldiers in the United Nations-designated enclave of Srebrenica in July 1995 and subsequently massacred more than 7,000 Muslim men and boys.
Reports on the hearing said Sheehan blamed a post-Cold War effort by European nations to "socialize" their forces by, among other things, letting gays serve.
"That led to a force that was ill-equipped to go to war. The case in point that I'm referring to is when the Dutch were required to defend Srebrenica against the Serbs," Sheehan said.
"The battalion was under-strength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them."
Carl Levin, chairman of the U.S. Senate's Armed Services Committee, asked: "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it was because there were gay soldiers there?"
"Yes, they did. They included that as part of the problem," Sheehan said, according to a webcast on the website of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"That there were gay soldiers?" Levin then asked.
"That the combination was the liberalization of the military, a net effect was basically social engineering."
The Dutch Defence Ministry issued a statement calling Sheehan's claims "absolute nonsense" and adding that gay Dutch soldiers routinely cooperate with the U.S. military in the NATO mission in Afghanistan.
Renee Jones-Bos, the Dutch ambassador to the United States, said in a statement, "I couldn't disagree more" with Sheehan, adding there was no evidence of his claims in the extensive record of research on Srebrenica.
Dutch press agency ANP quoted the head of the military union AFMP, Wim van den Burg, as saying Sheehan's comments were "ridiculous" and "out of the realm of fiction."
The events in Srebrenica remain a sensitive subject in the Netherlands, where a six-year investigation into the massacre led to the government's fall in 2002.
Reporting by Ben Berkowitz
The Dutch Police Force is basically a gay club. Harry Enfield was not joking.
There is something sinister about ppl projecting their masculinity thru uniforms, teams. gangs etc.
How many posters would 'join up?'
The forces attract a strange kind of ppl.
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The Dutch Police Force is basically a gay club.
back that up if you would please.
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back that up if you would please.
Have you ever met bird?
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Have you ever met bird?
Hey!
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Have you ever met bird?
no mate why?
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no mate why?
Please allow me to answer that one:
I'm a nice guy. Ask around.
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I'm a nice guy.
oooh, you mean like one of them? sorry, i genuinely didn't know.
a nice guy...gotcha.
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Got yourself a nice sense of humour there. [image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/wink.gif]
it's cool mate. all pretty open-minded 'round here. it's 2010 after all!
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Cheers, Mr Hales.
^ do you ever meet up with ken? he's not gay but pretty much up for anything.
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I'm a nice guy. pass me around.
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^^ kenkannif i meant mate. don't know if ken may likes gettting down and dirty...maybe...