Amanda Knox Trial (again)

I swear someone started a thread on this. Cluezo? Interesting case, weird case, but Jesus Cristo, it's technically not over. Foxy Knoxy? Nah. But did she write a book? "Will ya come back to Italy?" Asnwer: "I don't think so." Fookin' hell no ya won't. Wops could go for extradition, but I think not. -- Originally published Monday, March 25, 2013 Italy high court overturns Knox acquittal Italy's highest criminal court on Tuesday overturned Amanda Knox's acquittal in the slaying of her British roommate and ordered a new trial, prolonging a case that has become a cause celebre in the United States. By FRANCES D'EMILIO (http://search.nwsource.com/search?searchtype=cq&sort=date&from=ST&byline=FRANCES%20D%27EMILIO) Associated Press PREV 1 of 4 NEXT [image: http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2013/03/25/2016388379.jpg] OLIO SCARFF / GETTY IMAGES Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are awaiting the verdict of their appeal that could see their conviction for the murder of Meredith Kercher overturned. ROME — Italy's highest criminal court on Tuesday overturned Amanda Knox's acquittal in the slaying of her British roommate and ordered a new trial, prolonging a case that has become a cause celebre in the United States. Knox called the decision "painful" but said she was confident in the truth. The Court of Cassation ruled that an appeals court in Florence must re-hear the case against the American student and her Italian ex-boyfriend for the murder of 21-year-old Meredith Kercher. The exact issues that have to be reconsidered won't be known until the court releases its full ruling within 90 days. Knox, now a student at the University of Washington, stayed up until 2 a.m. Seattle time to hear her fate and issued a statement through a family spokesman. "It was painful to receive the news that the Italian Supreme Court decided to send my case back for revision when the prosecution's theory of my involvement in Meredith's murder has been repeatedly revealed to be completely unfounded and unfair," the statement said. Knox said the matter must now be examined by "an objective investigation and a capable prosecution." "No matter what happens, my family and I will face this continuing legal battle as we always have, confident in the truth and with our heads held high in the face of wrongful accusations and unreasonable adversity," Knox said in the statement. Kercher's body was found in November 2007 in her bedroom of the house she shared with Knox and others in Perugia, an Italian university town where the two women were exchange students. Her throat had been slashed. Prosecutors alleged Kercher was the victim of a drug-fueled sex game gone awry. Knox and Sollecito denied wrongdoing and said they weren't even in the apartment that night, although they acknowledged they had smoked marijuana and their memories were clouded. An Ivory Coast man, Rudy Guede, was convicted of the slaying in a separate proceeding and is serving a 16-year sentence. Knox and Sollecito were also initially convicted of the murder and given long prison sentences, but were then acquitted on appeal and released in 2011. The high court's ruling Tuesday overturned the appeals court acquittals. "She thought the nightmare was over," Knox attorney Carlo Dalla Vedova said after the decision was released. Italian law cannot compel Knox to return from the U.S. for the new trial. The appellate court hearing the case could declare her in contempt of court but that carries no additional penalties. Della Vedova said Knox wouldn't come to Italy "for the moment" but would follow the case from home. He sa id he didn't think the new appeals trial would begin before early 2014. Asked if she would come to Italy for the trial, he said: "I don't think so." It is unclear what would happen if she was convicted in a new appeals trial. "If the court orders another trial, if she is convicted at that trial and if the conviction is upheld by

It's easy for me to say - but if she went back for a re-trial of her own volition then that would carry a shit load of weight in her favour. I do understand what her team are saying about the competency of the prosecution though. From what little I know of the trial from TV and so on, there were some outlandish claims being made by them, so I can't blame her.

I'd kinda like to do her.

but not in the kitchen...

I imagine there's a better class of bean-flicker in an Italian nick.

Quote Originally Posted by Anna Key It's easy for me to say - but if she went back for a re-trial of her own volition then that would carry a shit load of weight in her favour. Very true...... That is easy for you to say. [image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/grin.gif] No fucking way I'd go back. Life if way too short to take that chance.

Quote Originally Posted by kingdomcome View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again.html#post1788477) That is easy for you to say. Oooh! Low ball, sir. I did balance that comment with the very next sentence. I shall watch from the pavilion. Porn o'clock is nearly upon me and I am alive with the anticipation of some fresh submissions to the dwarf category.

Quote Originally Posted by Thaitanium View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again.html#post1788465) but not in the kitchen... Never. I was thinking tied to a tree with Fecal Finger4 warming her up with a lil brown eye foreplay.

Quote Originally Posted by Anna Key Oooh! Low ball, sir. I did balance that comment with the very next sentence. Just my lame attempt at humor, Anna.

What's next for Amanda Knox? Questions and answers about the case - World News (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/26/17473204-whats-next-for-amanda-knox-questions-and-answers-about-the-case?lite) Link above is Q & A and some facts. Her book is due out in a couple weeks. She was paid a $4 million advance for it.

Quote Originally Posted by Final 4 View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again.html#post1788596) Her book is due out in a couple weeks. She was paid a $4 million advance for it. That doesn't mean much to me either way...innocent or not Quote Originally Posted by Final 4 View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again.html#post1788455) Interesting case, weird case, but Jesus Cristo, it's technically not over. She has a gorgeous charming face, wish I knew more about the evidence.

I read quite a few longish articles about the slaying when I was back in the states and from those articles (what was left of forensic evidence) it doesn't seem her and the boyfriend are guily. The Italian police thoroughly botched the crime scene so who's to say what's what. Seriously, who's DNA did the smoking pile of shit in the toilet belong to? Drug-fueled robbery gone bad? My money's on the black already in prison. Wish he'd cpme clean. For her to go back. Hell no.

Quote Originally Posted by pucky View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1874961) I read quite a few longish articles about the slaying when I was back in the states and from those articles (what was left of forensic evidence) it doesn't seem her and the boyfriend are guily. The Italian police thoroughly botched the crime scene so who's to say what's what. Seriously, who's DNA did the smoking pile of shit in the toilet belong to? Drug-fueled robbery gone bad? My money's on the black already in prison. Wish he'd cpme clean. For her to go back. Hell no. Yes, the Italian investigators totally f*cked up the evidence collection. And the pile of sh*t was Guede the black guy's. Why is he silent? Because he got his sentenced reduced to 16 years, and by admitting any quilt at all could cause him to lose further reductions in his sentence, which was originally 30 years. The Italians cannot organize a f*cking parade.

America really hates to extradite their own citizens. Most countries do. I can't imagine an extradition. Extremely unlikely. The only real issue will be her ability to move freely outside the states. Things haven't changed in that regard yet, from what I understand. In her shoes, I probably wouldn't risk it. Hope she has a good legal team.

I have read up on it...from what I can figure all they have on her is circumstantial evidence based on her behaviour following the murder...she sure doesn't look innocent to me...but guilty demands a higher standard of proof.

Quote Originally Posted by kiwiling View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875033) guilty demands a higher standard of proof. It sure does. Again, a disinterested observer here. I've passed comment on what I know of this case and that knowledge is superficial at best. The impression is of a legal system that obviously has double and triple jeopardy (and beyond) for any defendant; there are so many bites of the cherry that there can be no cherry left. Legal disclosure seems non-existent. The prosecution tacks into the wind, making slow progress by sideways movements and introducing frankly bizarre scenarios as 'evidence' and does so without censure. Of the two, it's the jeopardy aspect that furrows my brow. In my own country, thanks to a weak and exasperated British government capitulating to the shouty agendas of those most concerned with anything but equality in the eyes of the law, a well-concerted and tenacious campaign can result in another trial where an acquittal was the original verdict. That's the one aspect of the Knox/Kircher saga that bothers me.

Quote Originally Posted by Anna Key View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875065) The impression is of a legal system that obviously has double and triple jeopardy (and beyond) for any defendant; there are so many bites of the cherry that there can be no cherry left. You have to be a bit careful with being too disparaging about another country's legal system, Anna. It isn't really double jeopardy here, this is just lazy US and UK journalism. There has been one trial and, in effect, 3 appeal hearings here, 3 out of 4 of the courts ruling against the fragrant and foxy one. Double jeopardy would only strictly apply if it had been a proper full retrial with a fresh jury in the equivalent of the British crown court. They do have appeal courts in the US and UK too.

Fair comment, Paully. (I thought you were going to pick me up on criminal/civil re. double jeopardy for the same job - so yep, hands up for a bit of lazy shorthand.) I'm aware of the appeals court in the UK[image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/grin.gif] But I'm only vaguely aware that shortly before my departure from those shores there was a significant change allowing the CPS to balls it up numerous times before getting a result - and that's really the bee in my bonnet regardless of the country.

I know very little having not followed the original trials. Were I in her position I would find myself most uncomfortable in my own skin, so to speak. The only comfort I could take is that if there were an effort for an extradiction on the Italian part, it would take a couple of decades clearing the US court sytem, imo. My understanding is that the US is probably the country least likely to extradite their own citizens. Gives her lots of time to maneuver. She can always play the "medical concerns" argument. Cancer of some sort. But that card is saved till the end, if all else fails. Were I in her position I wouldn't be loosing any sleep..

Quote Originally Posted by Anna Key View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875101) I thought you were going to pick me up I wasn't really having a go at you, dear Anna. The Italian system does seem odd to us with all these weird names, 'Court of Cassation', etc but it hasn't been all a one way conspiracy against Foxy and her geeky-looking Italian mate, Rafaelle as she is prone to depict. The original appeal in 2011 did quash the first verdict and free them, after all. Even now the first verdict has been reinstated, Sollecito hasn't been imprisoned but merely restricted to Italy pending the final appeal in Rome. Quote Originally Posted by kiwiling View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875033) but guilty demands a higher standard of proof. Indeed, kiwi, but not necessarily the unvarnished truth. I agree, there's something false, contrived and unconvincing about Foxy but I've no more an idea about what actually happened than anyone else. ---Update--- Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875105) I wouldn't be loosing any sleep.. Indeed, she won't be extradited: hell, she's young, white, middle-class and 'Foxy' as well as American. Now if she was fat, middle-aged trailer trash..

Quote Originally Posted by paully View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875107) I wasn't really having a go at you, dear Anna. Oh, I know. Trust me, I'm grateful to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about. [image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/grin.gif]

Personally I think she should be deported and she should face the music in Italy. This wasn't a kangaroo court, but a high level judicial court in a democratic nation. None of us know the case or the evidence, only the information fed to use through the media. So I'm not going to pass judgement, but if a court has found her guilty then she needs to do the time. With regards to the whole extradition issues, there is no legal basis to refuse to extradite, and that hundreds of people, many from minorities, are in US prisons on less evidence than there was against Knox without any public outcry.

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875137) This wasn't a kangaroo court, but a high level judicial court in a democratic nation The inference being that I called it a kangaroo court? I didn't of course. Just to be quite clear.

Sorry Anna that wasn't directed at you, but the way the media portrays the italian courts.

Quote Originally Posted by Anna Key View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-2.html#post1875141) The inference being that I called it a kangaroo court? I didn't of course. However it is a court that follows different rules to the British System, and the American system...one has to give strong consideration before allowing extradition to such an outfit.

Just because its different to the US or the UK is not a reason why someone should not be extradited.

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875142.html#post1875142) but the way the media portrays the italian courts ...what do you mean? Funny language, funny costumes, wild gesticulations, Pagliaccio on the bench? Doesn't really build confidence in the woppish judicial adventure, I'm afraid... Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875149.html#post1875149) Just because its different to the US or the UK is not a reason why someone should not be extradited ...the Thais would probably agree...

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875137.html#post1875137) Personally I think she should be deported and she should face the music in Italy. This wasn't a kangaroo court, but a high level judicial court in a democratic nation. None of us know the case or the evidence, You cannot be deported from your own country. This is about possible extradition. The evidence of this case is known to all who have followed. I posted a link to one website cataloging evidence on the previous page of this thread. The prosecution made serious bungles.

time line and summary of the case.... http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/28/wo...knox-timeline/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/28/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-timeline/)

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875149.html#post1875149) Just because its different to the US or the UK is not a reason why someone should not be extradited. There are grounds based on basic fairness of process. I don't think an extradition hearing could specifically consider guilt, but they would have to consider any argument that Knox would be prejudiced because of a difference in judicial procedure. From the outside although Knox looks a strange girl to say the least, and the photo of her kissing the boyfriend after the murder is chilling, that does not amount to proof of murder, only suspicion. Any judicial procedure that failed to address that from the outset could be grounds against extradition.

Quote Originally Posted by kiwiling View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875171) From the outside although Knox looks a strange girl to say the least, and the photo of her kissing the boyfriend after the murder is chilling, Kiwiling, I saw that video of Knox kissing her boyfriend Sollecito - the original and the cropped / edited version. Whoever showed that video on (Italian TV?) cropped it. Edited it. They were both sad and consoling each other. Then at some time the did a 'peck' kiss a couple times. Then they went back to consoling each other and being sad. The should the edited footage only. Hmm.....? Remember the Italian courts and media citing the motive as Satanism? They did. Anti-foreigner sentiment as well at that local protests even though all of the accused and victims were foreigners, except for Sollecito. ---Update--- Here is a detailed site that has a lot of information and articles from former FBI investigators and forensic scientists. A site detailing the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox & Raffaele Sollecito (http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/index.html)

If she really is guilty...would you still do her?

^ I think some would do her even more readily if she were guilty. But make sure the kitchen knife is safely in the drawer.. Quote Originally Posted by a Stupid Man View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875202) Here is a detailed site that has a lot of information and articles from former FBI investigators and forensic scientists. A site detailing the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox & Raffaele Sollecito Not exactly entirely objective and unbiased, is it though mate [image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/wink.gif]

All the information we have is from the media. It's also going to be fairly likely that most of the US news outlets will be in support of Knox because she's white, female and an American. Knox has been found guilty of a crime in a democratic system. Also, has no one even considered what the Kercher family think? I bet the REAL victim of this sorry affair doesn't even get a mention in US news. On the extradition side, Alan Dershowitz (Harvard law) describes the American supporters of Knox as one-sided and poorly informed about the evidence against her. According to Dershowitz, in view of the US government's need for international cooperation in its own extradition requests, Knox would be extradited to Italy regardless of American public opinion.

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875225) Knox would be extradited to Italy regardless of American public opinion i think the reason for the US not extraditing her is because of the double jeopardy..public opinion doesn't account for much if anything

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875225) Alan Dershowitz (Harvard law) describes the American supporters of Knox as one-sided and poorly informed about the evidence against her. He's right, of course. If Meredith had been American and Amanda Knox British, the US press would be positively baying for an extradition. The point, as Dershowitz well knows, is that as there is an extradition treaty already in place between the US and Italy, in effect the US has formally recognised that the Italian legal system is a perfectly legitimate and fair one. Public opinion should not come into it, but of course it does. ---Update--- Quote Originally Posted by fred flintstone View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875227) because of the double jeopardy It isn't double jeopardy as I've already explained. It's merely that the Knox publicity machine likes to make it appear so and the gullible media suck it up. Public opinion is everything, thus the reason why Knox quickly had a makeover (note the return to short hair and big dewy eyes) and rushed to appear on national TV.

Quote Originally Posted by paully View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875228) It isn't double jeopardy by american standards it's double jeopardy....which is why she won't be extradited

will the italians ask for her extradition before her trial begins at the italian supreme court or only if found guilty?

Quote Originally Posted by Neil S View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875222) If she really is guilty...would you still do her? Guilty or innocent, I'd still do her. She is also into dildos. ---Update--- Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875225) All the information we have is from the media. The information we have is from the the EVIDENCE IN THE CASE. The transcripts, the testimony. And yes, the media has reported this evidence. ---Update--- Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875225) On the extradition side, Alan Dershowitz (Harvard law) describes the American supporters of Knox as one-sided and poorly informed about the evidence against her. According to Dershowitz, This is why the case against her is so murky. John Douglas claims Knox is innocent. So does Steve Moore, and others. Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875225) Also, has no one even considered what the Kercher family think? I bet the REAL victim of this sorry affair doesn't even get a mention in US news. Yes, they have.

That information is presented through the biased lens of the media. Whether you think the case against her is murky, the truth is that she has been found guilty by a democratic nations judicial system. it'll cause a lot of problems for the US if they don't adhere to international law.

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-3.html#post1875252) , the truth is that she has been found guilty at this point she's been found innocent....the new 're-trial' can change all that ...then the extradition comes into play....if she's found innocent again it's non- issue

Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875231.html#post1875231) will the italians ask for her extradition before her trial begins at the italian supreme court or only if found guilty? She has already be found guilty at this latest round. 1st - guilty 2nd - not guilty (on her appeal) 3rd - guilty (on prosecutor's appeal)

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875252.html#post1875252) it'll cause a lot of problems for the US if they don't adhere to international law. Yeah - I can see the Italian landing craft now; steadfast and sure as they approach the coast of North Carolina.

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875252.html#post1875252) That information is presented through the biased lens of the media. Do not use the media as a medium of get information about this case. The sources I've mentioned - to you - are not from the media but the actual trial itself. You obviously have not followed this case. You have made several inaccurate statements. Whether you think the case against her is murky, the truth is that she has been found guilty by a democratic nations judicial system. The political system of Italy does not mean this case was prosecuted fairly and accurately. You are trying to dodge the EVIDENCE by noting a couple of times now, "a democratic nations judicial system."

Quote Originally Posted by a Stupid Man quoting Sergei View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-4.html#post1875259) "a democratic nations judicial system." [image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/grin.gif] Ol' Trostsky's big on democracy, see? Right, Dorwellski?

The judge actually reinstated the verdict. In the next few months they could either uphold the verdict and make the convictions definitive – in which case Italy could request Knox's extradition and Sollecito would be facing a return to jail – or send the case back for another appeal. We won't know exactly what the Florence court's reasons were until it releases its written "motivazioni". For me I would have her over there ASAP, just so I don't have to see those crocodile tears. Although Italy and the United States have an extradition agreement, most experts agree Rome would be very unlikely to request her transfer before the court of cassation had confirmed her conviction. If that were to happen – and a decision is not expected before next spring – it is not certain whether Italy would request the extradition or whether the US would agree to it if it did.

Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875231.html#post1875231) will the italians ask for her extradition before her trial begins at the italian supreme court or only if found guilty? Only if the supreme court ratifies the original conviction + sentence, 28 years in her case. Remember that Sollecito isn't yet locked up in Italy, merely confined to the jurisdiction of that country to stop him doing a runner. Luckily he 'remembered' to return from Austria before being found. ---Update--- Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-4.html#post1875275) The judge actually reinstated the verdict. Yes, that's because it was an appeal, not a fresh conviction. ---Update--- Quote Originally Posted by a Stupid Man View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-4.html#post1875259) The political system of Italy does not mean this case was prosecuted fairly and accurately. And, equally, it doesn't mean that it wasn't. It was, of course, the US government with a wealth of high-powered legal advice available to it which ratified the extradition treaty. Why would it have done that if 'double jeopardy' or political bias was as plainly inbuilt into the Italian criminal justice system as is portrayed by some observers? ---Update--- Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-4.html#post1875275) We won't know exactly what the Florence court's reasons were until it releases its written "motivazioni". For me I would have her over there ASAP, just so I don't have to see those crocodile tears. Agreed. I'd also have this bloke extradited to South Africa pretty sharpish even though he's British and "depressed": BBC News - Shrien Dewani loses High Court extradition case (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25979639)

Quote Originally Posted by Dorwell View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875252.html#post1875252) it'll cause a lot of problems for the US if they don't adhere to international law. [image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/laugh.gif] Didn't slow them down in Iraq.

[image: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/images/smilies/arrowup.gif] It will not cause "lots of problems for the US." Where did you get that information. The allowing of extradition by the US will be because of reciprocity in the future. In the future, let's say Italy has an American fugitive or terror suspect. Italy could refuse to extradite as a tit-for-tat. It's all about possibilities. As for the reciprocity, Knox is expendable IMO. And also, I am not 100% in my view. If someone can post up some corroborated evidence against here I am willing to look at it. But there have been a few books written about the case - I am reading one now on my Kindle - and they are pointing out the flaws in the evidence collection and actual evidence (DNA on the knife).

Quote Originally Posted by Neil S View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875222.html#post1875222) If she really is guilty...would you still do her? No Quote Originally Posted by a Stupid Man View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-post1875202.html#post1875202) I saw that video of Knox kissing her boyfriend Sollecito - the original and the cropped / edited version. Whoever showed that video on (Italian TV?) cropped it. Edited it. They were both sad and consoling each other. Then at some time the did a 'peck' kiss a couple times. Then they went back to consoling each other and being sad. The should the edited footage only. Hmm.....? Fair comment...and even though what I saw was edited it looked weird to me...reminded me of that Cracker episode where the crazy couple always bonked after killing somebody...but it doesn't amount to anything near proof...I haven't seen anything that does. I read that article by the FBI investigator. He correctly describes the lack of proof. There is no way Knox would be convicted in an English or US Court. That must be relevant in any extradition proceedings.

Quote Originally Posted by kiwiling View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-4.html#post1875453) Fair comment...and even though what I saw was edited it looked weird to me...reminded me of that Cracker episode where the crazy couple always bonked after killing somebody...but it doesn't amount to anything near proof...I haven't seen anything that does. You saw the edited / cropped version. Again, that is another way to basically "frame" someone up, and make them look uncaring, sociopathic, or bad. Quote Originally Posted by kiwiling View Post (http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/international-news/72406-amanda-knox-trial-again-4.html#post1875453) I read that article by the FBI investigator. He correctly describes the lack of proof. There is no way Knox would be convicted in an English or US Court. That must be relevant in any extradition proceedings. Note the accusations and confirmed quotes by the prosecutor. There are many. Satanism. Is there evidence of Satanism being involved. Sex Game. Is there evidence of a Sex Game that went wrong?